![]() Why are we eating our "fellow creatures"? By Allan Saxe,
WBAP Political Analyst
Would you eat "chopped flesh and fat" instead of a hamburger? We
have got to stop eating our fellow creatures on this planet. It is bad enough
that we have used all sorts of animals for entertainment, taken them into our
battles with us (horses, dogs, elephants, donkeys), offered them up as
sacrifices to our gods, and abused them in a variety of ways for our pleasure
and desires. But
to eat them leaves a bad mark on the human race. I used to be a meat eater.
Indeed, I was reared with barbeque spare ribs, hamburgers, and of course steak.
You couldn't be a good citizen of Oklahoma, where I was born, without salivating
after some kind of meat product. I
really have no idea what specifically turned me around and converted me into a
vegetarian, but some event must have been pivotal. Perhaps it was going into a
meat market, where I often shopped for filet mignons, and saw too much blood on
the steak wrappings. Or maybe it was the oozing of blood to the top of the steak
while it was being cooked. I also
began to identify what I was eating with the living breathing feeling creature
itself. No longer could I divorce the live chicken from the fried chicken wing.
No longer could I divorce the live pig from the spare ribs. No longer could I
separate in my mind the steak from the cow in the meadow. My
becoming a vegetarian has little to do with health, although there is some
evidence that a vegetarian diet is more conducive to a healthy life. My
vegetarianism is purely drawn from an ethical perspective and desire. Some very
odious people in history have been vegetarians for what they perceived as health
reasons. Their vegetarian diets had nothing in common with ethics. Animals
feel pain, pleasure, and of course fear which is a basic trait of animals.
Imagine the horror and fear induced in cows, pigs, and a variety of other
animals as they wait their turn at the slaughter chamber to satisfy our salivary
glands. Humans
can eat almost anything. In some parts of the world dogs are eaten, but chickens
are not. Monkeys are eaten in some places. Various organs of the big cats are
consumed in some places of the world to enhance masculinity or whatever. We can
also devour other humans and cannibalism is not unknown in human history. So why
do we eat some creatures and not others? It is mostly a matter of culture and
conditioning. We have drawn the line at the dinner table for some creatures and
not others. We
must then re-draw the line so that cows, pigs, horses, fish, and fowl do not end
up in our stomachs. This could be partly accomplished in our culture by simply
renaming food products for what they really are. Why do we name chopped flesh
and fat a hamburger? It is mostly to make us feel better and distance ourselves
from what we are really consuming. Why
not be more honest and realistic! From now on we must order flesh and fat
burgers. No more hamburgers! We must order sliced rib cage with fat instead of
spare ribs. We must order sliced flesh, fat and bone in place of steak. Chicken
salad will be re-named torn apart chicken flesh drenched in mayonnaise. All
canned meats will be re-named chopped flesh in a can. It
is fascinating to ponder how our language defines our thought and conduct. Not
only the use of words, but where we use them. The various chicken parts like
"breast'' and "thigh" if used in places other than ordering from
a menu could land us in some trouble. We can freely and without guilt order
three or four chicken breasts and a couple of nice thighs at a restaurant. But
dare we order some breasts and thighs in other places? Consuming
the flesh of other creatures demeans us. It takes away whatever loving and
gentle qualities we assign to ourselves. No more T-Bones! No more brisket! No
more ribs! Dump the hamburger and chicken tenders. Bring on the okra, peas,
bread and broccoli. And in another column I'll take on the hunters! Allan Saxe serves as political analyst for WBAP News/Talk 820 and writes an opinion column for the Star-Telegram. You can express your opinions to this column by CLICKING HERE. Be sure to include your name and city of residence. This information may be included with any published opinions. Return To The Allan Saxe Opinion Page
Because
I am not an outgoing person I have never dined at the home of those
that were not either
family or close friends, but if invited to the home of a business
associate or the like and thought for a minute they could be vegetarian,
I'd probably grab
a 'burger on the way home that night. As long as I didn't get speeches about
eating dead animals from my hosts, I would find no fault in their dietary choice.
Reading some of the listeners comments, I find it hard to believe they are giving Allan such a hard time over simply giving his point of view on eating meat. And, let me say I do eat meat.
I can vividly
remember when I was about 4 or 5, watching my mother kill chickens and then
process them to put in the freezer. I can tell
you right now, if I ever had to kill any
kind of animal to eat meat, Allan could add me to his list. Being as Allan
worked in a meat plant, I can see very well why he does not eat meat.
These people who gave
such radical comments on Allan and on WBAP for letting him give his opinion
should be ashamed for being so tacky. At least Allan shared his views without
being radical and name-calling. After all, I thought WBAP was a "talk
radio station."
Hang in there, Allan!
B. Ward
Cleburne
WBAP, Where does this come from? Especially from a political analyst. Of course, because of his title and the subject, I did read it all and was interested in what he wrote. But hamburger or chopped flesh with fat, I'll have mine with fries. Thanks for the News and Views, Jeff Fry McKinney
While agreeing we all
need to get along in this world, I do believe Mr. Saxe is off base. He can
call my steak what he will. I will still eat it. I have heard on a news report
that plants feel pain and have feelings also while I don't believe it. Mr.
Saxe what would you eat if that were true? Eat what you would eat. Also, I
will read your next article as well and yes, I am a hunter and a fisherman. I
want to see how stupid you can actually get.
Jimmy Holcomb - Irving
While
I applaud Mr. Saxe decision to become a vegetarian, I find his attack on his
fellow human beings a little disconcerting. As a person who believes and relies
on the Bible as a source of truth, and as a partial reason for being a
vegetarian, to blatantly attack flesh eaters and say that it demeans all of us
is a bit of a stretch. Going to the Biblical book of Genesis, we read there that
before the flood, the eating of flesh was unknown. After the flood, Noah and his
family were given parameters for the preparation of flesh foods, because for
some time there was no other food source. God did allow the eating of flesh at
that time to meet the need of the time, but certainly never expected the
practice to continue. The nature of man and the addictive qualities of flesh
foods did that. There are many things common to man that God has "allowed",
but, as Jesus said when the Jews asked him about Moses giving them decrees of
divorce, "because of the hardness of your hearts".
Gary Howard Houma,
LA (via the internet)
I would like to begin by saying that I am a meat eater. Always have been and always will be. There are a variety of reasons for me to be a meat eater.
I have met Mr. Saxe a few times at the Tarrant County College SE campus where I attend classes and have heard him on the radio several times and have always had a great deal of respect for him. However, this is just too much to take and has caused me to re-evaluate my opinion of him. His comments about vegetarians being healthier is because most people just do not eat enough fruits and vegetables. You can be a meat eater and still be healthy.
Great
article! Thank you, Mr. Saxe, for sharing your views on vegetarianism. It seems
to have struck a nerve with some of this station's listeners. Hopefully, they
will think twice at what they are filling their (and their family's) bodies
with.
Shana Reed Fort
Worth
Hi,
I wanted to thank you for your column and would like to address some of the ignorant statements that have been posted in response to it. People can use the bible to justify anything, whether it is white power or anti-racism, slavery or the lack of, animal exploitation or veganism. Although I could argue that the bible says we should not eat meat, I don't believe the bible should be brought into political issues. Animals feel pain and emotions. I know this because I see my dog showing several emotions including fear, happiness, jealousy, etc. Even if they did not have emotions, it is undeniable that animals can suffer and feel pain just as we do. To cause suffering to animals for the sake of appetite is cruel. As for eating plants, yes, they provide oxygen for all of us, that is one of the major reasons why we shouldn't eat meat. Producing meat uses an average of 10 times the amount of land and plants as directly eating the crops ourselves. If you eat meat and consider yourself an environmentalist, you are being very hypocritical and you should look into the environmental devastation meat production causes (energy and water use, sewage, forest destruction). Research has shown that we can not continue eating meat at our current rate or we will literally destroy the earth. As far as plants having feelings, so far research has not discovered that plants feel any pain. They do not have a nervous system. If they felt pain, they wouldn't be stuck in the ground, unable to escape predators. That wouldn't make any sense whatsoever. If one day it is discovered that plants did indeed feel pain (which I highly doubt), a person would still be causing far less suffering being vegetarian because they would be consuming more plants (and animals) by eating meat than directly eating plant derived foods. As for the health issue, all nutritional requirements can be met through a vegan diet. Many people think protein, iron, calcium, and B12 are absent in a vegan diet. Not true. Protein is found in beans and nuts. Spinach is rich in iron and calcium. B12 is found in mushrooms, sunflower seeds, nutritional yeast, barley grass, sea vegetables, and even beer. Animals exist for their own reasons, they were not put here for humans, just as blacks were not put here for whites, and women were not put here for men. Should the "personal choice" to own slaves not have been taken away? Should the "personal choice" to consider women property not have been taken away? The time has come to give respect to those we have enslaved, abused, and killed because they have no voice and they cannot fight back. The way animals are treated in our society is worse than the way we treat the most violent criminals. The sad part is is that these animals are completely innocent. They have never done anything to us and we treat them this way. Why? Because they can't speak for themselves and they have no chance fighting back. We kill deer and other "problem" animals but what we fail to remember is that they were here before we were. We have invaded THEIR territory. There won't be all of the excess animals people think there would be if everyone went vegetarian, because people are gradually converting to vegetarianism, so *gradually* people will stop breeding these animals, and those remaining animals that cannot survive in the wild can be placed in sanctuaries where they can live out the remainder of their lives happily and free of unnecessary suffering. As "radical" or "extreme" as it may sound, I believe that everyone has the right to live however they wish AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT HARM OTHERS. I don't think eating meat should be a personal choice, just as I don't think that killing or torturing a person or animal for any other reason should be a personal choice. People should learn to respect ALL life. At one time people only respected the life of their own race. Now people only respect the life of their own species. Katie Jones
Fort Worth
Listening
to Allan whine just reinforces what a pansy society we've become. So sterile are
people's thoughts that they don't associate meat with animals. It wasn't that
long ago that if you wanted meat on the table in the evening, you went out and
killed it that morning.
Seeing
blood causing him to turn vegetarian is lame, as any true Christian reads about
the animals' place to feed us on this earth. Being an American gives him the
choice to eat what he wants, but don't give excuses, especially irrelevant
excuses.
And
don't try to impose your standards on me. I dislike WBAP giving him this forum
to spread propaganda. As a political analyst, I'll listen to his views and
analysis and chose to agree or disagree. I have no quarrel with that.
K. Crawford North
Richland Hills
Allan,
I
am a hunter, a meat eater and a great cook. I have no problem eating something
called chopped flesh or any of the other terms you used in your article. I find
it hard to believe that a man can't get past the thought of a cute little lamb
when eating a lamb chop or a deer-eyed doe when eating chicken-fried backstrap.
I
have no problem with it and I'm a woman!
Darla Stepich Poolville
I think it is good that someone in mainstream media open up about the vegetarian/vegan issue. A lot of people tend to believe that it is their god given right to eat these animals on this planet. One man was quoted as saying "if the lions, tigers, and other animals get to enjoy them then why shouldn't we?" But people don't look further into what they are eating. Not only is it inhumane to eat these animals, but it is unhealthy for the consumer. The chickens that some of you eat are put into cages with many other chickens not allowing each chicken to have full mobility. They are kept medicated by hormones in order to produce a more plump chicken making it more economically efficient for the agricultural farmer, painful for the chicken, and poisonous to you the consumer. Pigs are done the same way. Birds have their beaks cut off to keep from pecking each other. This process is done by a hot knife causing pain for weeks at a time. Another favorite dinner for Americans is the Steak. That probably has a few mouth's watering. Well, enjoy more hormones. When you wash it down with milk again enjoy more hormones along with the fact that you are basically drinking mucous. Humans are one if not the only ones who drink milk after infancy. Which is unnatural don't you think? If it doesn't come from your mother do you need it? Not to mention that the proteins in milk block the calcium to your bones. Defeating the purpose of drinking it in the first place for a lot of people. The meat production industry also does harm to the environment. By cutting down more forestry for these animals to graze, trees which produce I think 90% of the worlds oxygen(?) no longer thrive and therefore create a serious environmental hazard to us all. I will not make this a book, but urge you the readers to make an intelligent conscious decision to think about what you are consuming. Which is a life. A life in the cycle of our earth, in our solar system, etc. Look at these animals and see that they too have personality. It may not be some complex personality, but they deserve to live just as much as you do. Look at your teeth. Most people are not capable of ripping flesh with their canines because most canines are starting to round. Humans have to hunt with weapons because we are not adapted to hunt prey with our bodies. Our digestive tracts are longer and carnivorous animals tracts are short because we take longer to absorb nutrients. Meat leaves an unhealthy soot in your stomach. I could go on and on. To all the people that say if the animal had a chance he wouldn't take another glance he'd eat you up. Then why is it most animals that are consumed are herbivores? With the exception of a few. It was Ghandi that said and this is broken up, "How a society treats their animals reflects on how that society is." That is not exact, but think about it. And think about the alternatives of eating meat. There are wonderful and exciting dishes to eat. And if you still want that taste of meat, then eat fake meat it is much healthier for you. THINK!!!!
Eric Lamascrucious
Dallas
My Mama cooked her pot
roast in Coca-Cola. I tried that recipe yesterday, and Boy!
was it good! You might pass that tip along to Dan Potter. You just don't
know what you are missing!
Mary Ann Brame
Dallas
This is kind of like one of those religious groups that send individuals out to peoples homes to try and convert them to their religion. I believe everyone is entitled to worship as they see fit, but don't go around trying to peddle your beliefs on others. And why stop with man? Why not extend your quest to convert all creatures to a non-meat eating religion? Maybe by going to the bush to train lions to eat grass or crocodiles to dine on algae? Even some monkeys eat meat, other monkeys. If you can persuade the grizzly and wolf to pass up a meal of beef or venison for berries or johnson grass then I might consider converting to vegetarianism. Until that day arrives though I think I will continue to fill the air in my yard with the aroma of pork (dead pig), chicken (dead yard bird), beef (dead cow), and assorted other meats and fish (dead animals) on the weekends. Why should the lions, tigers, bears, wolves, sharks etc. be the only creatures on the planet to enjoy fresh MEAT and FISH. At least we don't eat it while it is still alive like they do.
Dan Harvey Lewisville
Vegetarianism appeals more and more to me. Just by looking at how animals are being raised and how many diseases they has convinced me that it cannot be the best and nutritious diet. I will probably never be 100% vegetarian - but I sure do feel much better when I each vegetables, fruits and grains. Try it, and you might agree :o)
Marianne P. Medina Keene
Re: Why are we eating our "fellow creatures"?
This is from one of those "Sissy Yankees." I wasn't going to respond to this column and was just grinning at it, knowing your penchant for trying to rile people to get them to think. But, when you made the claim today, on the air, that you were from OK and not a "Sissy Yankee," it ceased being funny. The statement was uncalled for.
As for the actual "meat" of the column, I have used the terms flesh, meat, carcass, etc for years and have enjoyed every ounce of flesh, torn or otherwise, that I have consumed and will continue to do so. I am an Omnivore and I happen to enjoy immensely the consumption of animal flesh. I like to see the blood on steak wrappings telling me the meat has been freshly cut. I salivate to see the blood oozing to the top of meat as it sizzles on the grill. But, not too much, because then it is wasted and there won't be as much for me.
The cow in the meadow is simply dinner on the hoof. Whether they feel pain, pleasure, fear or anything else is meaningless to me. An animal exists to be eaten, to provide sustenance for those above it on the food chain. The supremacy of the Human species on that chain is a great joy to me and I celebrate it. If I choose to eat certain animals and not others, that is my choice. I guarantee that if I am starving, Fido won't be far from my supper plate.
If you want to be a vegetarian, fine. That's your choice. Keep it that way. Don't dare to dictate to me how I should choose.
Cam Kirmser Hurst
I won't throw out any excuses; I like meat. Whether it's top sirloin, done medium rare or the muscle tissue from a young castrated bull, seared over a fire, I'll take it, eat it and be happy. For centuries, it's been a mark of prosperity to eat meat and for good reason. A diet supplemented by meat made it easier for primitive people to survive... if you had some meat in your diet, less people died, more babies lived and your people prospered. A purely vegan diet lead to less body reserves, higher infant mortality and some diseases. Today, that can be countered with supplements and vitamins, making the vegan lifestyle a viable choice (even if every vegan I've ever seen has been thin and looked malnourished). But it is, and should be a choice. Some people are Muslim, some Christian, some Jewish. Some are Vegan... in my opinion, their loss, but their choice. I choose to be a carnivore, thank you.
Roger Hanna Grapevine
First off, I would like to say that I don't think Allan is nuts, but I do disagree with him based on the following. In the interest of saving our planet, I will continue to eat meats (mainly from cows) as the gases emitted from these animals is reported to be the number one factor causing harm to the ozone. Plants, on the other hand, emit oxygen that is necessary for humans to breathe. Stand up good citizens of the U.S.A. and the Earth and Save Our Planet! "Eat More Meat-Save the Ozone", that will be my battle cry.
John Fife Trophy Club
God gave us the animals for food! Cathy Ivy Farmers Branch
Re: Vegans
Al
Werner
Do you wear plastic shoes and belts? I certainly hope that you haven't
killed one of your good buddies so as to walk on him.
Irving
Everyone has a right to their own opinions, even if they invite ridicule
from the vast majority. While I personally disagree with his opinion (so
much so that I urge him to seek professional counseling concerning his
desire to ascribe human characteristics to other species), I would fight
and
die for his right to have it and express it. The concern here is the forum
being provided him to seek converts to his views. Why would WBAP provide
time and space for such extremism? Further, even if WBAP's agreement with
Mr. Saxe concerning the content of his columns is such that it has no
control over what is or is not published, shouldn't WBAP be concerned about
it's own role in promoting the spread of such extreme views? The views
expressed by Mr. Saxe attempts to equate animals with humans. Why not let
someone else professing their Nazi beliefs, where people are reduced to
the
level of animals. In my mind, one view is just as extreme as the other.
If God had not intended for us to eat steaks, hamburgers, and spare ribs, then He would not have made them taste so good!!
Give me a break. I kept waiting for a punch line but it never came.
I suppose you would like to see the critters overpopulate and starve or even worse to start displacing humans, on this earth.......We know without a doubt that in areas where deer are not hunted, they weaken and starve due to lack of food. Are you going to suggest that the early Christians were vegetarians? Do you think Christ did not eat meat???
I just read one of the most ridiculous commentaries I have ever seen...
RE:
Allan Saxe - Although his opinion is valid as an opinion, does not take into account the great diversity of life and the myriad ways it expresses its self. Several studies have found that chemical changes occur when plants are threatened or attacked. It is plain that plant and fungal life have gone to great lengths to protect and preserve their own lives through many different methods. For vegetarians to hold their ethical standards higher because they don't eat things with eyes and vocal cords is to deny the rightful place of flora as the central basis of all life. As has been the case throughout history, ethics pales in the face of starvation - and we can justify anything, can't we. Allen, Mr. Saxe: Just finished reading Allan Saxe's piece on eating meat. My first thought is here is one more kook out with an axe to grind, but
my second thought is why am I putting up with it. It is my opinion that the college teaching
environment seems to attract more than it's share of unstable characters who are bad influences on
easily-influenced young people. Allan seems to be just one more tainted vegetarian
potato in that sack.
Well Allan, I guess I kind of agree with you, however I'll still eat meat. I have always been told not to eat an animal unless it has split hooves. I currently eat more veggies than meat. Now I'll let you in on one. Out of the big three meat staples in our diets beef, pork and chicken only pigs could actually live in the wild. They wouldn't even exist if they weren't in demand. Are you even against eating fish?
Allan, you just made me very hungry by listing all those wonderful meat dishes. I gotta ask,.....why did our creator give us these
incisors. I can't spell that but you know I mean FANGS!! I will say however, you don't seem to have any in your photo with the column. Anyway I was always taught that they were for tearing, yep you guessed it, meat. Love ya anyway and hear your every morning while preparing for work.
Allan I
find this column SICK ! Examine your own teeth and explain why you have them !
Allan... I guess from this article that you are another "animal rights whacko". If you will do a little research in the bible, you will find that all of the animals on earth are here on this earth to be subject to man, for our use as pets, food, clothing, labor, etc. You sound as if animals have souls, or have the brains to make intelligence decisions. Sorry Allan, but I think you are a cup and saucer shy of a full place setting.
Don Butler Richardson
I
read your article which proposes that we give up eating meat and become
vegetarians. How can you justify the tearing and destruction of plants? These
things give us oxygen and beauty. They prevent erosion across the world!!!
Indeed, one could justify that vegans are responsible for global warming in that
they reduce the world's eco-system.
I propose that we all live on air! Air is replenished by the very thing that you destroy. Let's do away with eating other animals and other plants. Suck air!!!!
Geeesh!
Bill Whitehead
McKinney
I do not agree with you on this matter but, I commend you for not condemning those of us who disagree. As you stated, this was a personal decision on your behalf and I respect this. However, I cannot condone the more radical elements of the vegetarian movement that seek to push their will and
morality upon those of us who hold a differing opinion. I think public discourse on matters such as this are a wonderful way to expand knowledge and more power to you.
At the same time, I would remind you that you need
to remove those leather shoes and belt from your attire before sitting down to write your column and that slipping behind the wheel of a leather trimmed vehicle would also make you a hypocrite. It's not the absence of meat that
makes a vegetarian a true vegetarian, its the absence of all those wonderful bi-products that they use everyday that makes them who they are. Just don't let them know about those items and the meat industry will be fine.
Crowley
Yikes! An animal senses pleasure? Where is your documentation, bucko? Jim Smith
Greenville
Think back on
history for one moment, do you really think the men and women that fought and
died for this country could have survived and had the strength to go on by
eating the grass and weeds around them? Take a good look at yourself then go
look at Hal Jay, now tell me who looks the healthiest. Chuck Nolte Glen Rose Oh, how I agree!! I must print this for my husband to read. I can hardly stomach the thought of
eating meats. When I see my precious dog (Sadie), I think, in some parts of the country, you could be dinner! Thanks for a real eye opener! Geez....and I thought Allan Saxe was an OK guy until I read this meat-eating opinion. What a wacko!! God put these animals on the earth for us to enjoy, the Bible says it, I believe it, that's the end of it.
I love the positioning of your commentary just above Dining With Dan's chicken (or is that ripped chicken flesh) sandwich or whatever the heck it is.
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